On 2/13/10, Halima wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> can we find something negative to say about the 10 of Cups ?
>
>
>
> Halima (Moderator)
>
> please visit our sister group
> http://somethingstarot.ning.com/
Thats all most too easy:)
In the system i have cobbled together for myself, over the years,
highly influenced by a personalized verison of Crowley's Thoth deck &
book, the 10's represent endings.
The nines represent fullfillment or "the fullest material
manifestation of the element involved"
In the Waite deck 10's are the type of 'fullfillment' that Crowely
makes his 9's with his 10's being a, technicaly, "reabsortption" or
apotheosis or epiphany of the element in such a way that it
truansumtes back into the Ace.
The 4th court card in their sequence is said to be symbolic of the
fullfillment of a similar function.
In the Thoth deck the 10 of cups is called "Satiety" and can mean the
end of a relationship, or in any way an emotional state or phenomina
that has ran its course, for what ever reason, is over.
This is 'negative' in the human context of the sorrows it often brings
in its wake. But the 10 of cups could represent a decision to end
somethnig one has had enough of and thus be a positive symbol.
Any sort of emotional investment, no mater how ephemeral, and the more
ephemeral any emotional involvment is the eaier it is to choose to end
it, this then is a positive aspect that the 10 of cups can have.
But in romance, love of any sort, or with deep emotional bonds to
anything, the 10 of cups can represent the ending of those bonds,
where one has all one is going to get and one has no choice but to
let go, that even if in denale about it the bond is, technicaly
broken.
Such passings when they are tragic and unexepcted can not be prepared
for and the inevitable reulst is 'negative" feelings of loss as
symbolized b y the 10 of cups. But sometimes the transiton is
expected, anticipated, prepred for and as symbolized by the 10 of
cups, the letting go, peacfully, can be a positive experiance.
And on a more simple level, it can be representative of a passing
emotion, where one is fed up with some one or something and considers
ending the situation. But a feeling that passes and is
recondsidered.
The Aces are really symbolic of the peak experiance, everyting else is
adaptation and subtrfuge, at best an attempt to delay the inevitable:)
--
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky/files/sf_anthem.mp3
Saturday, February 13, 2010
Tuesday, February 2, 2010
On 2/2/10, Halima Spirit wrote:
> Yes, Halima:
>> In the United States, a client who has been the victim of such fraud can
>> go straight to their local District Attorney's office with the information
>> and they will take care of this guy for her.
>> All the Best,
>> C.
>
>
>
> I don't even know if my clients wants to pursue her money back, I think she
> feels a little foolish now for being taken in, but I thought I enquire and
> see if anyone can through some ideas about, next time she visits me I'll
> have a chat with her...I thik she should at least fiel soem kind of
> complaint I was gobsmacked when I heard how much she had paid him !
>
> many thanks
>
> Halima
International, across national borders, follow up's to such a
situation would be difficult, i don't know what sort of laws there are
in the UK about it but in America since the early 1980's the laws that
would have been used to have made selling a "spell" or even "telling
fortunes" illegal has been struck down in the name of "free speech"
constitutionally protected "free speech".
This does not rule out prosecution for our right fraud which is what
it sounds like your friend fell for.
I would urge her to notify the frauds local authorities about him.
Various types of religious and/or spiritual ceremonies, rites,
blessings, rituals, surgical procedures, & etc. have been charged for
by the churches offering them. Not only are one commanded in the
Judeo Christian context to "tithe" but even Kosher butchers charge for
their ritually blessed & slaughtered meats. All of which are legal
and usualy tax exempt.
Why should a neo pagan, wiccan, new ager, hoodooeste, rootworker,
conjurdoc., brujho, shaman etc. not be allowed the same freedom to
offer its services for sale?
For centuries the church state relationship was symbiotic, hand in
glove, and even in those places where such magick rituals as provided
by local shamans are part of a much older tradition that was never
outlawed, even they have corrupt practitioners.
Plus there are many ways of defining what a spell is.
My general rule is that the more expensive a spell (or other
magico-religous ritual) is the less likely i am to appreciate it.
I think one of the telling factors in authenticity of intent and
purpose on the part of the spell caster is its willingness to have the
client actually do the spell. "Give a man a fish and he eats for a
day, teach a man to fish and he can feed himself" and don't have to
go looking for a wizard to cast a spell for him evertime he gets
hungry:)
Unfortunately this quickly gets into taboos, as many if not most
people who want spell also do not want to have anything to do with
them, they are titillating themselves with superstitious fascination
with the forbidden and the dark arts and better, in their case they
ARE hung for a lamb instead of a sheep:)
The person that can do anonymous spell work for clients wont advertise
or seek out such clients, and those that do advertise or other wise
seek out clients, publicly advertise cant do the spell the way most
people would want them to and in the way they probly promise they can.
I would not trust a plumber (or anyone else) that guareenteed 100%
satisfaction, why hold the local wizard to an lesser standard?
They can perform a ritual, they can acquire tools and ingredients and
perform all sorts of actions with them because you have paid them to,
some of those making the most money off this sort of gullibility have
the decency to at least have fine print ..... which reads "for
entertainment purposes only" .... most of the frauds don't even bother
with fine print.
I believe i can do 'spells" in several ways, but i cant do them just
because a stranger wants me to.
At least not in a way i could in good consciousness claim to have an
effect, however vicariously, for them. I believe i can teach them how
to perform such spells for themselves in such a way as to have an
effect based on and in their feelings for the situation they want the
spell about, but they must provide the energy & enthusiasm for the
spell i am unable to work up on their behalf.
And even those people who might be interested in the theory and any
lesson plan are usually not really interested in the actual
disciplines involved in 'spell work'.
And there are forms of spontaneous magic and accidental perfection's,
but again, while they can be taught to be recognized, it requires the
doing of it. A commitment to the process, which can take lifetimes:)
One thing is inevitably connected to another and before long your
talking about a whole system of life and living and all the poor
client wanted was a return of a lost love:)
One common hook of the fake shaman is an inexpensive diagnosis, often
time with a very cheap "reading" that finds an expensive problem.
The minute a 5 dollar palm or tarot card reading turns into a thousand
dollar profit ..er..problem, that's when you get up and leave.
The people that do that will not only take your money and give you
nothing but pain and shame in return they are also a type of person
that will involve you as deeply as you will let yourself be involved,
they are not nice people and while they usually kill the goose that
laid the golden egg by ever increasing demands for more and more
money, they are not above using a person for other nefarious schemes
they are also running.
Sometimes to keep a person quite they will let them in on the schemes
to bilk other poor suckers, and some people cant resist the temptation
to get even further involved in such a vicious cycle.
And don't think it is just limited to alternative religion, & new age
fraud's it was the same phenomena that prompted Martin Luther and the
entire Protestant revolution. At one time one could by oneself into
heaven along with ones dead relatives, purchase sainthood and buy the
anathema's of bell, book and candle by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic
Church.
Once can still buy a Mass or hire a moyel to perform the brise:)
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky/files/sf_anthem.mp3
> Yes, Halima:
>> In the United States, a client who has been the victim of such fraud can
>> go straight to their local District Attorney's office with the information
>> and they will take care of this guy for her.
>> All the Best,
>> C.
>
>
>
> I don't even know if my clients wants to pursue her money back, I think she
> feels a little foolish now for being taken in, but I thought I enquire and
> see if anyone can through some ideas about, next time she visits me I'll
> have a chat with her...I thik she should at least fiel soem kind of
> complaint I was gobsmacked when I heard how much she had paid him !
>
> many thanks
>
> Halima
International, across national borders, follow up's to such a
situation would be difficult, i don't know what sort of laws there are
in the UK about it but in America since the early 1980's the laws that
would have been used to have made selling a "spell" or even "telling
fortunes" illegal has been struck down in the name of "free speech"
constitutionally protected "free speech".
This does not rule out prosecution for our right fraud which is what
it sounds like your friend fell for.
I would urge her to notify the frauds local authorities about him.
Various types of religious and/or spiritual ceremonies, rites,
blessings, rituals, surgical procedures, & etc. have been charged for
by the churches offering them. Not only are one commanded in the
Judeo Christian context to "tithe" but even Kosher butchers charge for
their ritually blessed & slaughtered meats. All of which are legal
and usualy tax exempt.
Why should a neo pagan, wiccan, new ager, hoodooeste, rootworker,
conjurdoc., brujho, shaman etc. not be allowed the same freedom to
offer its services for sale?
For centuries the church state relationship was symbiotic, hand in
glove, and even in those places where such magick rituals as provided
by local shamans are part of a much older tradition that was never
outlawed, even they have corrupt practitioners.
Plus there are many ways of defining what a spell is.
My general rule is that the more expensive a spell (or other
magico-religous ritual) is the less likely i am to appreciate it.
I think one of the telling factors in authenticity of intent and
purpose on the part of the spell caster is its willingness to have the
client actually do the spell. "Give a man a fish and he eats for a
day, teach a man to fish and he can feed himself" and don't have to
go looking for a wizard to cast a spell for him evertime he gets
hungry:)
Unfortunately this quickly gets into taboos, as many if not most
people who want spell also do not want to have anything to do with
them, they are titillating themselves with superstitious fascination
with the forbidden and the dark arts and better, in their case they
ARE hung for a lamb instead of a sheep:)
The person that can do anonymous spell work for clients wont advertise
or seek out such clients, and those that do advertise or other wise
seek out clients, publicly advertise cant do the spell the way most
people would want them to and in the way they probly promise they can.
I would not trust a plumber (or anyone else) that guareenteed 100%
satisfaction, why hold the local wizard to an lesser standard?
They can perform a ritual, they can acquire tools and ingredients and
perform all sorts of actions with them because you have paid them to,
some of those making the most money off this sort of gullibility have
the decency to at least have fine print ..... which reads "for
entertainment purposes only" .... most of the frauds don't even bother
with fine print.
I believe i can do 'spells" in several ways, but i cant do them just
because a stranger wants me to.
At least not in a way i could in good consciousness claim to have an
effect, however vicariously, for them. I believe i can teach them how
to perform such spells for themselves in such a way as to have an
effect based on and in their feelings for the situation they want the
spell about, but they must provide the energy & enthusiasm for the
spell i am unable to work up on their behalf.
And even those people who might be interested in the theory and any
lesson plan are usually not really interested in the actual
disciplines involved in 'spell work'.
And there are forms of spontaneous magic and accidental perfection's,
but again, while they can be taught to be recognized, it requires the
doing of it. A commitment to the process, which can take lifetimes:)
One thing is inevitably connected to another and before long your
talking about a whole system of life and living and all the poor
client wanted was a return of a lost love:)
One common hook of the fake shaman is an inexpensive diagnosis, often
time with a very cheap "reading" that finds an expensive problem.
The minute a 5 dollar palm or tarot card reading turns into a thousand
dollar profit ..er..problem, that's when you get up and leave.
The people that do that will not only take your money and give you
nothing but pain and shame in return they are also a type of person
that will involve you as deeply as you will let yourself be involved,
they are not nice people and while they usually kill the goose that
laid the golden egg by ever increasing demands for more and more
money, they are not above using a person for other nefarious schemes
they are also running.
Sometimes to keep a person quite they will let them in on the schemes
to bilk other poor suckers, and some people cant resist the temptation
to get even further involved in such a vicious cycle.
And don't think it is just limited to alternative religion, & new age
fraud's it was the same phenomena that prompted Martin Luther and the
entire Protestant revolution. At one time one could by oneself into
heaven along with ones dead relatives, purchase sainthood and buy the
anathema's of bell, book and candle by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic
Church.
Once can still buy a Mass or hire a moyel to perform the brise:)
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky/files/sf_anthem.mp3
Sunday, January 24, 2010
Quaint & Charming UK
Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
But hey, not to worry, you all have a nice, charming, quaint, little island, pity about the weather but then you cant have everything:)
Charming? Quaint?
Sure, at least in the early 70's it was. Outside the big cities anyway, lake district, Cornwall, Kent & Sussex were very scenic and i like the cobbled streets and old buildings.
Course i have to agree with Charley Windsor, about the abomination that was put up around St. Paul's in London, i agree with him about 'modern' & especially 'post modern' architecture.
Have you actually ever been to the UK or are you believing everything you see
about the UK on the TV?
Philosophically, i don't 'believe' anything, i either know something for a fact or i doubt it.
In reality, the UK is a stinking dump *full* of crime, drugs and gun & knife
crime! It's also full to the brim with chavs, radical Muslim Pakis and drug
dealing, violent niggers.
Same can be said for most any large metropolitan area. Though your phraseology tends to indict you.
And our supposed "jewel in the crown", London is a hell hole that could only be
improved by the detonation of 10 nuclear weapons above it.
The UK is a dump.
*shrug* one persons opinion does not a reality make.
--
JL
But hey, not to worry, you all have a nice, charming, quaint, little island, pity about the weather but then you cant have everything:)
Charming? Quaint?
Sure, at least in the early 70's it was. Outside the big cities anyway, lake district, Cornwall, Kent & Sussex were very scenic and i like the cobbled streets and old buildings.
Course i have to agree with Charley Windsor, about the abomination that was put up around St. Paul's in London, i agree with him about 'modern' & especially 'post modern' architecture.
Have you actually ever been to the UK or are you believing everything you see
about the UK on the TV?
Philosophically, i don't 'believe' anything, i either know something for a fact or i doubt it.
In reality, the UK is a stinking dump *full* of crime, drugs and gun & knife
crime! It's also full to the brim with chavs, radical Muslim Pakis and drug
dealing, violent niggers.
Same can be said for most any large metropolitan area. Though your phraseology tends to indict you.
And our supposed "jewel in the crown", London is a hell hole that could only be
improved by the detonation of 10 nuclear weapons above it.
The UK is a dump.
*shrug* one persons opinion does not a reality make.
--
JL
My future as a writer?
sa wrote:
I do not know if anybody would call it an ambition if I say I want to
become a writer. But certainly it is an ambition in my opinion. But my
aim is not creating great poetry but writing novels. Fact and fiction
combine to create something totally different. What I mean to suggest
is that a writer shold also be a reformer of his society.'
JL replied:
Perhaps only if the writer feels that his art, his writing, needs a bit more macho justification, he is not just an artist he is a "reformer"!
Iirc both Hemmingway and Picasso struggled with this idea of making art socially relevant and the artist something more than a social parasite existing off the sufferance of the ruling class & bourgeoisie mediocrity.
Personally, i have always done the decorative much more easily than the 'relevant' ..... in my case i have neither the stamina nor the enthusiasm to be a 'reformer' preferring instead more the role of the 'decorator'.
"Lets get a little more color in that socialist realism shall we? and could we have the suffering masses move a bit upstage? don't block the handsome young hero's of the revolution...... 'Sondhiem! ...send in the clowns!'"
--
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://www.dancingmice.net/Karn%20Evil%209.mp3
I do not know if anybody would call it an ambition if I say I want to
become a writer. But certainly it is an ambition in my opinion. But my
aim is not creating great poetry but writing novels. Fact and fiction
combine to create something totally different. What I mean to suggest
is that a writer shold also be a reformer of his society.'
JL replied:
Perhaps only if the writer feels that his art, his writing, needs a bit more macho justification, he is not just an artist he is a "reformer"!
Iirc both Hemmingway and Picasso struggled with this idea of making art socially relevant and the artist something more than a social parasite existing off the sufferance of the ruling class & bourgeoisie mediocrity.
Personally, i have always done the decorative much more easily than the 'relevant' ..... in my case i have neither the stamina nor the enthusiasm to be a 'reformer' preferring instead more the role of the 'decorator'.
"Lets get a little more color in that socialist realism shall we? and could we have the suffering masses move a bit upstage? don't block the handsome young hero's of the revolution...... 'Sondhiem! ...send in the clowns!'"
--
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://www.dancingmice.net/Karn%20Evil%209.mp3
I just happened across these 2 links.
http://firthessence.net/movies/StrangeFruit.mp3
http://cdn1.libsyn.com/beautifulnoisebroadcast/durasoul2.mp3?nvb=20090506065856&nva=20090507070856&t=06c10d2a1637f8cb507c8
The first is Billie Holliday "Strange Fruit" and the second is a song i cant help but compare to the Strange Fruit. I always bracket with it when i hear either.
Etta James .... "At Last my love has come.... lonely days are over... and life is like a melody...."
The second link goes on and on and on and is an entire program i think but the first song is Etta James singing.
Choose from some menu equivalent of "save target link as" to down load and save to your hard drive.
http://firthessence.net/movies/StrangeFruit.mp3
http://cdn1.libsyn.com/beautifulnoisebroadcast/durasoul2.mp3?nvb=20090506065856&nva=20090507070856&t=06c10d2a1637f8cb507c8
The first is Billie Holliday "Strange Fruit" and the second is a song i cant help but compare to the Strange Fruit. I always bracket with it when i hear either.
Etta James .... "At Last my love has come.... lonely days are over... and life is like a melody...."
The second link goes on and on and on and is an entire program i think but the first song is Etta James singing.
Choose from some menu equivalent of "save target link as" to down load and save to your hard drive.
alan wrote:
Tartare sauce, anyone got a recipe for it?
Alan
There are a number of variations you might want to try.
Sauce Tartare
4 -5 hard boiled egg yolks
salt
freshly ground black pepper
1/2 pint (1 & 1/4 cups) oil
1 tsp. vinegar
2 tbs. mayonnaise
1 tbs. chopped chives.
Mash the egg yolks to a paste with the salt and pepper, gradually work in the oil, add vinegar, and lastly the mayonnaise and chives.
Sauce ravigote ou vinaigrette
1/2 pint (1 & 1/4 cups) oil
3 tbs. vinegar
1 tbs. capers
pinch of parsley, tarragon, chervil, chopped chives
pepper
salt.
Mix all well together. If desired, one ma add to this sauce 1 tbs. worcestershire sauce and 1 chopped hard boiled egg.
Sauce remoulade
1/2 pint mayonnaise,
2 tbs. Dijon mustard
1 tbs. chopped gherkins
1/2 tbs. chopped capers/
pinch of chopped parsley, chervil, tarragon,
1/2 tsp. anchovy paste.
Mix all the ingredients together.
Sauce Gribiche
--------------
Place the yolks of 6 freshly cooked hard boiled eggs in a basin, crush
them and work to a smooth paste adding 1 tsp. mustard and a pinch of
salt and pepper, then proceed in the same way as for Mayonnaise by
adding 2 & 1/4 cups oil and 1 & 1/2 tbs. vinegar.
Finish the sauce with 3 & 1.2 ounces mixed chopped capers and gherkins;
1 tbs. mixed chopped parsley, tarragona and chervil; and the whites of 3
hard boiled eggs cut into short Julienne.
Cambridge Sauce
---------------
Finely pound 6 yolks of hard boiled eggs together with 4 well washed
fillets of anchovy, 1 tbs. of capers and 1 tbs. of chopped tarragon,
chervil and chives in equal proportions. Add 1 tsp. mustard and proceed
as for mayonnaise by adding 5 fluid ounces of oil and 1 tbs. vinegar,
season with a little cayenne and pass through a fine sieve.
Place in a basin and whisk until smooth then finish with 1 tsp. chopped
parsley.
--
JL
Tartare sauce, anyone got a recipe for it?
Alan
There are a number of variations you might want to try.
Sauce Tartare
4 -5 hard boiled egg yolks
salt
freshly ground black pepper
1/2 pint (1 & 1/4 cups) oil
1 tsp. vinegar
2 tbs. mayonnaise
1 tbs. chopped chives.
Mash the egg yolks to a paste with the salt and pepper, gradually work in the oil, add vinegar, and lastly the mayonnaise and chives.
Sauce ravigote ou vinaigrette
1/2 pint (1 & 1/4 cups) oil
3 tbs. vinegar
1 tbs. capers
pinch of parsley, tarragon, chervil, chopped chives
pepper
salt.
Mix all well together. If desired, one ma add to this sauce 1 tbs. worcestershire sauce and 1 chopped hard boiled egg.
Sauce remoulade
1/2 pint mayonnaise,
2 tbs. Dijon mustard
1 tbs. chopped gherkins
1/2 tbs. chopped capers/
pinch of chopped parsley, chervil, tarragon,
1/2 tsp. anchovy paste.
Mix all the ingredients together.
Sauce Gribiche
--------------
Place the yolks of 6 freshly cooked hard boiled eggs in a basin, crush
them and work to a smooth paste adding 1 tsp. mustard and a pinch of
salt and pepper, then proceed in the same way as for Mayonnaise by
adding 2 & 1/4 cups oil and 1 & 1/2 tbs. vinegar.
Finish the sauce with 3 & 1.2 ounces mixed chopped capers and gherkins;
1 tbs. mixed chopped parsley, tarragona and chervil; and the whites of 3
hard boiled eggs cut into short Julienne.
Cambridge Sauce
---------------
Finely pound 6 yolks of hard boiled eggs together with 4 well washed
fillets of anchovy, 1 tbs. of capers and 1 tbs. of chopped tarragon,
chervil and chives in equal proportions. Add 1 tsp. mustard and proceed
as for mayonnaise by adding 5 fluid ounces of oil and 1 tbs. vinegar,
season with a little cayenne and pass through a fine sieve.
Place in a basin and whisk until smooth then finish with 1 tsp. chopped
parsley.
--
JL
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:27:25 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
+ B o r i s + wrote:
You don't like me because I have a massive penis.
*Chuckle* its almost reassuring to know that there are bigger idiots than myself out there:)
Just because I have a huge penis, it doesn't make me stupid!
True, but making a usenet post about it does.
--
JL
+ B o r i s + wrote:
You don't like me because I have a massive penis.
*Chuckle* its almost reassuring to know that there are bigger idiots than myself out there:)
Just because I have a huge penis, it doesn't make me stupid!
True, but making a usenet post about it does.
--
JL
You can pickle sausages?
Me mum did, there's lots of info on the net about such recipes.
Cooked assuages, a good kilbasa, is a commercial type often recommended for 'pickled Polish sausage' soak in a vinegar, sugar and spice marinade.
Iirc me mum added mustard powder and peeled garlic cloves to the vinegar as she heated it up, poured it, boiling hot, over the sausages and then let sit for days, weeks or months.
Im pretty sure me mum used plain old white vinegar. I think she may have used "pickling spices" also as i recall there being a kind of herbal sediment in a jar of them. Course she also made her own sausages so not having that skill i have never tried to duplicate her recipe.
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Me mum did, there's lots of info on the net about such recipes.
Cooked assuages, a good kilbasa, is a commercial type often recommended for 'pickled Polish sausage' soak in a vinegar, sugar and spice marinade.
Iirc me mum added mustard powder and peeled garlic cloves to the vinegar as she heated it up, poured it, boiling hot, over the sausages and then let sit for days, weeks or months.
Im pretty sure me mum used plain old white vinegar. I think she may have used "pickling spices" also as i recall there being a kind of herbal sediment in a jar of them. Course she also made her own sausages so not having that skill i have never tried to duplicate her recipe.
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Cabbage
>
>>Cabbage is what our poor immigrant great-grandparents ate in the old country
>>because it was cheap and plentiful, what our grandparents overcooked and
>>forced our parents to eat because it was cheap and plentiful, and what our
>>parents swore they would never eat again if they didn't have to and never
>>cooked for us.
>>Cabbage is seen as a poor-persons vegetable, and people shunned it in the
>>post-WWII time of prosperity, and no one ever learned to cook it properly.
>>Cabbage is a labor-intensive plant, both to grow and to prepare for eating.
>>Young people don't care to do all that.
>
>
> Mom cooked cabbage until it was so soft, it activated my gag reflex. A
> lot of her vegetables did that. I remember when she discovered
> tender-crisp carrots. Suddenly, they became edible! Most other
> things continued to be three minutes of cooking short of becoming
> cream of whatever soup.
>
> I love cabbage sauteed briefly in olive oil and butter, then salted,
> peppered, and devoured.
>
> Carol
>
I have several non - standard ingredients for my stock pot and cabbage
is at the
top of the list.
I do tend to keep the all the windows in the house open when boiling
cabbage though:)
I also like to make a chiffonade of cabbage and sauté it with some rice
noodles in sesame oil add a bit of shrimp and/or chicken & mushrooms,
season with a bit of chili sauce and serve with a bit of soy sauce &
dark sesame oil.
Of course people usually gag on hearing about my boiled meat loaf which
is wrapped up in cabbage leaves, as well as having chopped cabbage as an
ingredient in the meat mix, but once they taste it they change their
mind about it. Once i discovered Escoffier i stopped calling it boiled
meat loaf and now call it "Sou Fassum Provencale" :)
Stuffed cabbage is very good though tedious to make.
Chou rouge a la flamande is a favorite of the elderly relative.
Cut the cabbage into quarters, discard the outside leaves and stumps and
slice the rest into a fine julienne. Season with salt and grated
nutmeg, sprinkle with vinegar and place in a well buttered earthenware
cocotte.
Cover with the lid and cook gently in a moderate oven. When three
quarters cooked, add 4 peeled and sliced pippin apples and 1 tbs. of
brown or caster sugar. Take care that the cooking is gentle from start
to finish and that no other liquid except the vinegar is used.
Im actually very fond of Brussels sprouts also.
--
JL
>>Cabbage is what our poor immigrant great-grandparents ate in the old country
>>because it was cheap and plentiful, what our grandparents overcooked and
>>forced our parents to eat because it was cheap and plentiful, and what our
>>parents swore they would never eat again if they didn't have to and never
>>cooked for us.
>>Cabbage is seen as a poor-persons vegetable, and people shunned it in the
>>post-WWII time of prosperity, and no one ever learned to cook it properly.
>>Cabbage is a labor-intensive plant, both to grow and to prepare for eating.
>>Young people don't care to do all that.
>
>
> Mom cooked cabbage until it was so soft, it activated my gag reflex. A
> lot of her vegetables did that. I remember when she discovered
> tender-crisp carrots. Suddenly, they became edible! Most other
> things continued to be three minutes of cooking short of becoming
> cream of whatever soup.
>
> I love cabbage sauteed briefly in olive oil and butter, then salted,
> peppered, and devoured.
>
> Carol
>
I have several non - standard ingredients for my stock pot and cabbage
is at the
top of the list.
I do tend to keep the all the windows in the house open when boiling
cabbage though:)
I also like to make a chiffonade of cabbage and sauté it with some rice
noodles in sesame oil add a bit of shrimp and/or chicken & mushrooms,
season with a bit of chili sauce and serve with a bit of soy sauce &
dark sesame oil.
Of course people usually gag on hearing about my boiled meat loaf which
is wrapped up in cabbage leaves, as well as having chopped cabbage as an
ingredient in the meat mix, but once they taste it they change their
mind about it. Once i discovered Escoffier i stopped calling it boiled
meat loaf and now call it "Sou Fassum Provencale" :)
Stuffed cabbage is very good though tedious to make.
Chou rouge a la flamande is a favorite of the elderly relative.
Cut the cabbage into quarters, discard the outside leaves and stumps and
slice the rest into a fine julienne. Season with salt and grated
nutmeg, sprinkle with vinegar and place in a well buttered earthenware
cocotte.
Cover with the lid and cook gently in a moderate oven. When three
quarters cooked, add 4 peeled and sliced pippin apples and 1 tbs. of
brown or caster sugar. Take care that the cooking is gentle from start
to finish and that no other liquid except the vinegar is used.
Im actually very fond of Brussels sprouts also.
--
JL
Science and Magick
The Philosopher wrote:
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
>
>
> The Philosopher wrote:
> >
> >
> > I would say, that the core of my thesis is the proposition that in
> > fact, all observable phenomena are the result of metaphysical
> > assumptions.
>
>
> Hmmmmm ...wouldn't any "proposition" be merely a thought? even if of
> matters "metaphysical" a speculation about first principles is just a
> speculation with no demonstrable proof of a first principle or cause.
> Apparently, something was going on before the big bang
really?
News to me. Time starts at the big bang. No 'before' existed. Least
that's the way I understand it.
Yes i have tried to address that idea that time in any conventional sence began with the big bang, that there was no before. However that strikes me as a bit like the rejection of the copernican idea of the sun revolving around the earth. It seems inescapably obvious to me that if a beggining is postulated there must have been something before the postulated beggining. No matter how much one defines this previous state as a lack of anything it is still that.
> (how long before may be irrelevant if 'Time' began with the "big bang')
>
> Hunger, the experience of hunger, fear or other such stimuli are then
> "metaphysical assumptions?" Of course your argument works better with
> stones and planets and nebulae and such and while applicable to the
> human condition i think, is, rather more hubristic, species
> chauvinism, than it is representative of some fundamental perceptual
> bias, if i understand your use of the term "metaphysical."
>
I doubt you do.
If you like, the sensation of hunger, rather than a slippery slide down
a multicolored slope of bramble thorns, is the expression of a
metaphsyical choice you don't know you are making ;-)
Pleasant vs. unpleasant seems to be one of the easiest concious choice to make, what are more difficult choices are when one knows the proper choice will result in pain or somekind of suffering. As it so often does.
>
> > But I suspect that's way over your head.
> >
> >
> > Ergo, there in no science
> >
> >> to metaphysics.
>
> As i understand it we can not directly observe the "big bang". I
> understand that some "Scientists" reject the idea of a big bang and/or
> postulate an infinite series of 'big bangs.' We can conceptualize
> "eternal" which would seem to me to have no beginning as well as no end.
>
yeah. Its all in yer mind boyo. Its just a questiuon of drawing usable
maps and telling helpful stories.
Why? to what end? i can accept a totaly random, meaningless, accidental universe, more of an 'Ooops' than a "Fiat Lux." But that just makes me look for loopholes:)
> >>
> >
> > Indeed. That doesn't invalidate the philosophy though.
>
> Which philosophy?
>
metaphysics.
The philosophy of first causes?
> > Science depends
>
> "Science" and the activities the word stands for no more depends on
> metaphysics or what that word might represent than any or everything
> else. The demonstrable influence of "Metaphysics' is largely confined
> to books and obscure letters on the subject.
>
That is a sad fact. Whereas of course, its the adrdessing of the most
fundamental problem humans who like to understand stuff, face.
Yes but which is really fundamental? hunger, fear and pain or abstract speculation on first casuses?
The demonstrable influence of mathematics might be so described as well.
not sure i understand you unless you mean life is quantifiable even if not gualifiable?
> Assuming one agrees with the metaphysics being expressed. Can no -
> thing be a first cause?
>
Why not?
Causality is simply another metaphysical assumption. No way to tell if
its universally valid as a yardstick or not.
> > on metaphysics to exist. Its the metaphysics that says what is real,
>
> Last i checked that was still being debated.
>
So is how many angels fit in the head of a pin.
cant you make up your own mind?
So far it seems to me that all standards of measure be that mathmaticl, euclidian or social are arbitrary, and for convienience only.
> > what is not real, what size is, and quantity. Its the metaphysical
> > assumptions you make that turn incoherent experience into coherent
> > perceptions.
Hmmmmm ...... first causes may have an originating influence on any present percetions i have but it seems to me concsiouness is relatively mundane?
The pixels into the picture. That's long before science
> > starts to analyze the picture...
>
> Pre programed? people learn up, down, right, left which is all you
> seem to be talking about unless your going to include in the pixelation
> of consciousness the deliberate indoctrination of the young into the
> social customs of its environment.
>
All? A baby knows NOTHING.
Your sure of that?
it cant even perceive properly. Its aware,
for sure, but having a fully functional awareness of the elements that
make up the adult world? no. Its *all* learnt.
> As the more draconian and Apollonian social controls have broken down
> in some parts of the world
> so people have the freedom to speculate about previously taboo subjects.
>
I'd say actually, in this country, they have a lot less.
Perhaps the number of people that want to are less, most people find the open ended unresolvable intellectual speculation bores a lot of people.
There is a new
orthodoxy in science, in matters of morality, and the rest. Only
behaviour is liberalised. It seems you can indeed get away with
anything, except expressing ideas freely. That, it seems is almost a
capital crime.
I can read your words but again, i think you tabloidize social taboos.
> It still fascinates some of us, even as we acknowledge its ultimately
> futile nature. Talking or writing about life is not experiencing life.
> It is writing and talking about the experience of life. And
> metaphysical speculation on first causes has occupied both metaphysics
> and science.
>
Who is speculating of first causes? not me, not in the sense you mean..
I merely show a pattern and a hierarchy. I don't admit to causality, or
time, so 'first cause' has no meaning.
Well arent you special:)
> Whether science seems to be approaching some previously stated
> metaphysical platitude remains to be seen.
>
youve lost me there guvnor.
There are metaphysical statements about the fundamental nature of the universe that have been experessed by ancient philosophers that some people believe are expressive of the direction modern science.
> Both are honestly forced to admit their limitations. Though you really
> have to drag the metaphysics out or the room, kicking and screaming,
> when you set down to calculate an orbital decay:)
>
Before you start your calculation, you have already decided the
metaphysics you will use. If it works, use it. The answer is implicit
in the view that results from the metaphysics.
Yes thats the kind of thing i meant above when i suggested that all measurement systems, all mapping systems are arbitrary.
> What will science find, if any thing, an original nothing? some small
> part of the big bang or what ever that may have in any way initiated
> the big bang at the core of every atom?
>
Ultimately if pursued long enough, it will find the metaphysical
assumptions on which it is based, that's all. Big deal.
It will find the 'no - thing' *chuckle*
The answer is the world you always thought it was to be sure. How could
it be anything else?
> The macrocosmic anatomy has a distinctly biological look to it, imo,
> when i see the Hubbell images.
>
*shrug* we are great at pattern recognition. Similar causes we say,
produce similar patterns. We live and die by analogy and metaphor.
> Speculating on the consciousness of matter, even with our self as
> "Exhibit A" in any expansion of the dignity to anything other than
> ourselves is simply not thought about. Especially if extending the
> consciousness of matter to encompass the entire universe as one vast
> living conscious matter. Are we hubristic enough as a species to thing
> that in the entire universe only mankind has risen to the level of self
> aware matter?
Frankly, I couldn't care less. I am only interested in pragmatic applied
science of consciousness.
Then why even use the word "metaphysic."
It is possible to concoct and infinite number
of metaphysics that make the world all matter, all mind, or something in
between, or none of the above. Its an open ended process of increased
sophistication.
It may seem that the choice of metaphysic is arbitrary and meaningless.
Meaningless perhaps..what is meaning? but arbitrary, no. It has to be
functional and effective in the context of its purpose, which is a human
thing.
Yes, well one has to get past the romantcized idealization of the species, it speicies hubris to say nothing of mankinds transcendental spritual pride. Is that the "metaphysics" you are talking about? And God created Man!
vapid speculation is not my intent. I developed what I did for a
specific reason, as the most elegant solution to a problem that
confronted me.
T+A={R}=O+T
Namely how to reconcile classes of experience that did
not fit a rational materialistic worldview. In so doing, it appeared to
me it had far reaching implications that might be of interest to others.
Sadly, it seems it is not of much interest to anybody. The people who
need it can't understand it, and the people who can, don't want to.
Welllll....it does seem to me you are elevating something rather ordinary to a false ideal. Which is not at all unusual given the general tendency of the animale.
You might say that the solution for me was to realise that ordinary
consciousness, is not the general case, it is the exception that proves
the rule.
That there is an exception to every rule? seems a long way to go for very little:)
Ordinary consciousness, (of which science as we know it is the
critical faculty) is a special case of a more generalised spectrum of
experience.
Dont know if i understand you here or if you are expressing yourself well.
I.e. if I have a starting point at all, it is not the
perceived factual reality of rational materialism, it is the experience
of being alive,
Semantic quibble.
in whatever way it is experienced. The baby experiences,
the adult perceives. The development of the entrance fee to the world of
adult perceptions, is long and hard, and only by massive efforts of will
that we don't appreciate till it wears us into old age, can we maintain
the 'normal sane' vision of the world.
Again, if i understand you, i think your putting too much emphasis on what is mostly instinct.
One dont need an intellectual analysis of existance to exist.
Science in a way IS magick,
Nope dont agree. Espicaly etymologicaly.
in the sense that it takes enormous efforts
of will to maintain the necessary worldview in which phsyical reality
CAN be affected by our desires.
No not that either, as i wrote earlier, its almost all instinct.
Namely by building machines, concocting
chemicals, planning solutions and the like.
Specialization.
Now try applying as much effort to maintaining a different view.."Why,
as child I used to believe ten impossible things before breakfast!"
said the White Queen.
One can only assume THAT is the price of admission to Wonderland ;-)
Most magicians know tghe value of and how to play:)
And my apologies for typing this in a machine with no spell checker:(
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
>
>
> The Philosopher wrote:
> >
> >
> > I would say, that the core of my thesis is the proposition that in
> > fact, all observable phenomena are the result of metaphysical
> > assumptions.
>
>
> Hmmmmm ...wouldn't any "proposition" be merely a thought? even if of
> matters "metaphysical" a speculation about first principles is just a
> speculation with no demonstrable proof of a first principle or cause.
> Apparently, something was going on before the big bang
really?
News to me. Time starts at the big bang. No 'before' existed. Least
that's the way I understand it.
Yes i have tried to address that idea that time in any conventional sence began with the big bang, that there was no before. However that strikes me as a bit like the rejection of the copernican idea of the sun revolving around the earth. It seems inescapably obvious to me that if a beggining is postulated there must have been something before the postulated beggining. No matter how much one defines this previous state as a lack of anything it is still that.
> (how long before may be irrelevant if 'Time' began with the "big bang')
>
> Hunger, the experience of hunger, fear or other such stimuli are then
> "metaphysical assumptions?" Of course your argument works better with
> stones and planets and nebulae and such and while applicable to the
> human condition i think, is, rather more hubristic, species
> chauvinism, than it is representative of some fundamental perceptual
> bias, if i understand your use of the term "metaphysical."
>
I doubt you do.
If you like, the sensation of hunger, rather than a slippery slide down
a multicolored slope of bramble thorns, is the expression of a
metaphsyical choice you don't know you are making ;-)
Pleasant vs. unpleasant seems to be one of the easiest concious choice to make, what are more difficult choices are when one knows the proper choice will result in pain or somekind of suffering. As it so often does.
>
> > But I suspect that's way over your head.
> >
> >
> > Ergo, there in no science
> >
> >> to metaphysics.
>
> As i understand it we can not directly observe the "big bang". I
> understand that some "Scientists" reject the idea of a big bang and/or
> postulate an infinite series of 'big bangs.' We can conceptualize
> "eternal" which would seem to me to have no beginning as well as no end.
>
yeah. Its all in yer mind boyo. Its just a questiuon of drawing usable
maps and telling helpful stories.
Why? to what end? i can accept a totaly random, meaningless, accidental universe, more of an 'Ooops' than a "Fiat Lux." But that just makes me look for loopholes:)
> >>
> >
> > Indeed. That doesn't invalidate the philosophy though.
>
> Which philosophy?
>
metaphysics.
The philosophy of first causes?
> > Science depends
>
> "Science" and the activities the word stands for no more depends on
> metaphysics or what that word might represent than any or everything
> else. The demonstrable influence of "Metaphysics' is largely confined
> to books and obscure letters on the subject.
>
That is a sad fact. Whereas of course, its the adrdessing of the most
fundamental problem humans who like to understand stuff, face.
Yes but which is really fundamental? hunger, fear and pain or abstract speculation on first casuses?
The demonstrable influence of mathematics might be so described as well.
not sure i understand you unless you mean life is quantifiable even if not gualifiable?
> Assuming one agrees with the metaphysics being expressed. Can no -
> thing be a first cause?
>
Why not?
Causality is simply another metaphysical assumption. No way to tell if
its universally valid as a yardstick or not.
> > on metaphysics to exist. Its the metaphysics that says what is real,
>
> Last i checked that was still being debated.
>
So is how many angels fit in the head of a pin.
cant you make up your own mind?
So far it seems to me that all standards of measure be that mathmaticl, euclidian or social are arbitrary, and for convienience only.
> > what is not real, what size is, and quantity. Its the metaphysical
> > assumptions you make that turn incoherent experience into coherent
> > perceptions.
Hmmmmm ...... first causes may have an originating influence on any present percetions i have but it seems to me concsiouness is relatively mundane?
The pixels into the picture. That's long before science
> > starts to analyze the picture...
>
> Pre programed? people learn up, down, right, left which is all you
> seem to be talking about unless your going to include in the pixelation
> of consciousness the deliberate indoctrination of the young into the
> social customs of its environment.
>
All? A baby knows NOTHING.
Your sure of that?
it cant even perceive properly. Its aware,
for sure, but having a fully functional awareness of the elements that
make up the adult world? no. Its *all* learnt.
> As the more draconian and Apollonian social controls have broken down
> in some parts of the world
> so people have the freedom to speculate about previously taboo subjects.
>
I'd say actually, in this country, they have a lot less.
Perhaps the number of people that want to are less, most people find the open ended unresolvable intellectual speculation bores a lot of people.
There is a new
orthodoxy in science, in matters of morality, and the rest. Only
behaviour is liberalised. It seems you can indeed get away with
anything, except expressing ideas freely. That, it seems is almost a
capital crime.
I can read your words but again, i think you tabloidize social taboos.
> It still fascinates some of us, even as we acknowledge its ultimately
> futile nature. Talking or writing about life is not experiencing life.
> It is writing and talking about the experience of life. And
> metaphysical speculation on first causes has occupied both metaphysics
> and science.
>
Who is speculating of first causes? not me, not in the sense you mean..
I merely show a pattern and a hierarchy. I don't admit to causality, or
time, so 'first cause' has no meaning.
Well arent you special:)
> Whether science seems to be approaching some previously stated
> metaphysical platitude remains to be seen.
>
youve lost me there guvnor.
There are metaphysical statements about the fundamental nature of the universe that have been experessed by ancient philosophers that some people believe are expressive of the direction modern science.
> Both are honestly forced to admit their limitations. Though you really
> have to drag the metaphysics out or the room, kicking and screaming,
> when you set down to calculate an orbital decay:)
>
Before you start your calculation, you have already decided the
metaphysics you will use. If it works, use it. The answer is implicit
in the view that results from the metaphysics.
Yes thats the kind of thing i meant above when i suggested that all measurement systems, all mapping systems are arbitrary.
> What will science find, if any thing, an original nothing? some small
> part of the big bang or what ever that may have in any way initiated
> the big bang at the core of every atom?
>
Ultimately if pursued long enough, it will find the metaphysical
assumptions on which it is based, that's all. Big deal.
It will find the 'no - thing' *chuckle*
The answer is the world you always thought it was to be sure. How could
it be anything else?
> The macrocosmic anatomy has a distinctly biological look to it, imo,
> when i see the Hubbell images.
>
*shrug* we are great at pattern recognition. Similar causes we say,
produce similar patterns. We live and die by analogy and metaphor.
> Speculating on the consciousness of matter, even with our self as
> "Exhibit A" in any expansion of the dignity to anything other than
> ourselves is simply not thought about. Especially if extending the
> consciousness of matter to encompass the entire universe as one vast
> living conscious matter. Are we hubristic enough as a species to thing
> that in the entire universe only mankind has risen to the level of self
> aware matter?
Frankly, I couldn't care less. I am only interested in pragmatic applied
science of consciousness.
Then why even use the word "metaphysic."
It is possible to concoct and infinite number
of metaphysics that make the world all matter, all mind, or something in
between, or none of the above. Its an open ended process of increased
sophistication.
It may seem that the choice of metaphysic is arbitrary and meaningless.
Meaningless perhaps..what is meaning? but arbitrary, no. It has to be
functional and effective in the context of its purpose, which is a human
thing.
Yes, well one has to get past the romantcized idealization of the species, it speicies hubris to say nothing of mankinds transcendental spritual pride. Is that the "metaphysics" you are talking about? And God created Man!
vapid speculation is not my intent. I developed what I did for a
specific reason, as the most elegant solution to a problem that
confronted me.
T+A={R}=O+T
Namely how to reconcile classes of experience that did
not fit a rational materialistic worldview. In so doing, it appeared to
me it had far reaching implications that might be of interest to others.
Sadly, it seems it is not of much interest to anybody. The people who
need it can't understand it, and the people who can, don't want to.
Welllll....it does seem to me you are elevating something rather ordinary to a false ideal. Which is not at all unusual given the general tendency of the animale.
You might say that the solution for me was to realise that ordinary
consciousness, is not the general case, it is the exception that proves
the rule.
That there is an exception to every rule? seems a long way to go for very little:)
Ordinary consciousness, (of which science as we know it is the
critical faculty) is a special case of a more generalised spectrum of
experience.
Dont know if i understand you here or if you are expressing yourself well.
I.e. if I have a starting point at all, it is not the
perceived factual reality of rational materialism, it is the experience
of being alive,
Semantic quibble.
in whatever way it is experienced. The baby experiences,
the adult perceives. The development of the entrance fee to the world of
adult perceptions, is long and hard, and only by massive efforts of will
that we don't appreciate till it wears us into old age, can we maintain
the 'normal sane' vision of the world.
Again, if i understand you, i think your putting too much emphasis on what is mostly instinct.
One dont need an intellectual analysis of existance to exist.
Science in a way IS magick,
Nope dont agree. Espicaly etymologicaly.
in the sense that it takes enormous efforts
of will to maintain the necessary worldview in which phsyical reality
CAN be affected by our desires.
No not that either, as i wrote earlier, its almost all instinct.
Namely by building machines, concocting
chemicals, planning solutions and the like.
Specialization.
Now try applying as much effort to maintaining a different view.."Why,
as child I used to believe ten impossible things before breakfast!"
said the White Queen.
One can only assume THAT is the price of admission to Wonderland ;-)
Most magicians know tghe value of and how to play:)
And my apologies for typing this in a machine with no spell checker:(
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Saturday, January 23, 2010
Introduction
This brief introduction is to explain that the sole purpose of this "Blog" is to warehouse a number of Mr. Littleshoes epistolary comments gleaned form a decade of usentpostings & e mail.
Mr. Littleshoes hopes any readers of this blog will add comments as they see fit, Mr. Littleshoes reserving thee right to edit any such commentary:)
Mr. Littleshoes is not unconscious of the eclecticism of his interests and hopes thier varity will not be too daunting for any reader of them.
Mr. Littleshoes hopes any readers of this blog will add comments as they see fit, Mr. Littleshoes reserving thee right to edit any such commentary:)
Mr. Littleshoes is not unconscious of the eclecticism of his interests and hopes thier varity will not be too daunting for any reader of them.
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